Category: Writers Block
Thought this should go up here, as it was rather inspired. Kevin was the first zoner I ever met.
It is customary, when someone leaves us in this life and passes on to whatever may come after, to honor their memmory. Here, for your enjoyment, is a piece penned by yours truly, to remind us all of the one we have just lost.
Hi, high I fly.
I am the blackbird, yes am I.
High I soar
on dick jokes and more
on cracks about buttsex, on when, where and whatsex
and jibes about blowjobs, and titties galore.
If you're a young cuty, I'll tickle your booty.
I'll tickle and pickle and diddle it pink.
If you're a fella, you can go to hella.
You're special, an asshole and your poopyface stinks.
Shut up. You're special because I said so. I have decided you are not worthy of my company because you're young and dumb and immature. So fuck your face, you fuckface.
But do introduce me to your little sister. And your mother. And your grandmother. And your pet goldfish, provided its female. If it isn't, I'll just insult it.
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There there, he is in a better place now. A place presumably lacking internet and children to either fight with or proposition.
All a joke, obviously. Everyone knows that dying rectifies one of all things, regardless of what a shameless pervert and uselessly dull tool they might have been in life.
well if all is rectified upon death then that should give you great comfort. I gather he fucked with you lots as you said he liked pussy and you sir seem like a right cunt so he must of had his way with you often.
Any insult Kev might have aimed at you would have been much more creative and well put than that dribble. Also, judging by this, he'd have been right.
Any time you'd like to be reminded what a worthless piece of shit you are let me know, and i'll do my best to replicate the truths Kev would have bestowed upon you.
Also, you may not have had respect for him, but there are a lot of people who don't need to be reading this childish and frankly pointless post. Maybe think about how you are going to affect people before you spit your poison.
this is in incredibly poor taste. I'm not even going to waste time in delivering the insults you so richly deserve. I just hope that should you ever be so unfortunate to lose someone you care about, you don't have to deal with some childish idiot spitting on their memory.
grow up.
really stupid. I agree with dan and the rest on here. grow up.
What a great job you did at putting this piece of work together
while making yourself look immature, and showing your true colors. Your interpretation of Kev as a person shown above is false. The person you described seemed to be a perverted monster. Kevin was certainly better than that, no matter how much you may have disliked him. I doubt you knew him well enough to come to a fair conclusion of him. Just look at how many people admired him.
But since you probably don't care, and since you wrote this for a reaction, there is no more fuel that will be added to this fire. I at least wanted to reveal my disappointment that you couldn't comprehend this situation. There is a time and a place to act in such a manner.
Joseph and Dan, it's worse than you say. This was paramount to pissing on his grave. Hmm, I guess I should restrain myself from what they call the cyber bullying, even if to me bullying would mean use of some fists or a swirly.
Now I can say that I have known of a real person who pissed on a grave. Not that I ever wanted to.
I'm normally the level head of the bunch and I am sorry to Csection, benito, Distance, the game & leo for even giving this piss ant the time of day. But his ignorance was just, no words.
This is horrible and you should feel horrible for posting it. I'm sure you don't, since that would require a level of self-awareness you clearly don't possess, but I'm glad that it will now be here forever to remind everyone of what a uselessly dull tool *you* are. I'm sorry your existence is so unsatisfying to you that you felt the need to publicly shit all over someone else's when they're no longer even around to defend themselves, and I hope this pathetic tantrum made you feel better because I'm afraid it completely failed at being clever or edgy or shocking. If Kevin ever actually did say you weren't worth his company because you're young and dumb and immature, this just proves he judged you accurately. Joining the chorus of grow up, with a side of shut up, preferably forever.
Wow, this is bad dude! I'm not gonna pretend Kevin and I were friends, we disagreed on everything! However, he is gone and it is disrespectful to speak ill of the dead as he can't defend himself. I never wished him such an end at that age and while we never got along, I can let it rest and hope he has found peace in whatever comes after this life.
Wow, Scott, I thought better of you. I hope you live a long, lonely life.`
Everyone is, of course, entitled to their opinions. I still happen to think this is magic. Personal insults were his prefered mode of dealing with people he didn't know well who weren't mostly young girls, so it's water off the back. Angry old men calling me names didn't have much of an effect when I was a kid and he and I first met, so while there are several of you who hold to it, the gift of this writing still stands. Enjoy.
Okay, just adding my two cents (although I did not know him as well as some of you) but we all have our faults. The way I see it, so long as he didn't actually harm a minor in life then it is as you say, no water off of your back. Regardless we did have a conversation about such a topic, and while I made my intentions as a friend clear he promptly acknowledged my request and we became friends. But otherwise, there was no flirting to be had on this end. I can't say the same for everyone, but still he was a good conversationalist, and I find this slightly amusing yet ironic in some respects because Kev would've dealt the backlash thoroughly in return. Death is a time for respecting the good in people. That is to say, we don't know what we have until it's gone. Sad but true. Anyways, I'm rambling but Scott... I'd advise stepping back and analyzing that there is a tiny bit of good in everything, and you can't prove much on an online comunity as per a persons character. However he brought me many smiles, and I hope he is at great peace.
Also, though it is morbid how exactly did he pass on? I've been m.i.a for a while.
He had pneumonia which he was beginning to recover from, then he developed an infection which his body was unable to fight off.
That's an interesting assertion, why is death the time to point out the virtue in people? I don't know how old you were when the conversation in question came up, but you're seveenteen now. Logic dictates that you were at least a bit younger then. How could that possibly even come up in appropriate conversation?
That's retorical, of course. Assuming he was around the neighborhood of forty when he passed away, (and I think that's being generous), that leaves a good 12 year gap between you. And that's disgusting. See poem.
I will, however, take a step back and remind everyone that they are free to write a piece proclaiming his unadulterated awesomeness if they think it is warranted. My thoughts are that he was a kiddyseeker, and a confrontational ass besides.
Pardon the typo, 23 year gap.
Hmmm, I guess it's fair to assume by your board ranking that you are a pervert too then.
Feeble personal insults in the face of reason? Your friend would be proud.
Twenty-three years, by the balls of Belial. Do you know what I do with girls twenty-three years younger than me? I hold their bottles and burp them. This guy was shameless.
Ah, I'm starting to understand you better, something you probably failed to do with Kev when he was still alive. You don't like being personally attacked, (wherever the attack was in my previous post I'm not so sure), but it's ok to make defamitory statements about a person who is dead and can't even stand up for themselves which is in your eyes, art. You got caught in my test. Just as you may have assumed that I attacked you, someone else may have assumed that your ranking is creepy and unethical. The difference here is I clarified it with you before judging. I didn't call you a child molester, see my point?
this is getting stupid now. a lot of good people rising to an idiot and giving him exactly what he wants. there's really no point to this. besides his falts, kev was a decent person. which is more that can be said for this high-class tool.
best off just leaving it alone. scott's already proven what kind of person he is. noone need do anymore.
I also think that you need to consider something. I am not going to scream shout and sware at you, frankly I can think of many more worthless things to waste my energy on.
but defamation of character is a criminal offence, how ever your feelings towards him deep with anger or vitral hatred you must consider your accusations.
As you stated everyone is entitled to an opinion, one how ever which is legal and roughly factual.
Honestly this is really just shameful. As said above people yes are allowed to have their own opinions. But to say a man did things to young girls, just for the fact he talked to many of them is just laughable to me. That is like saying the reverse of the woman, talking to young men she must play with them as well. To say a rose with thorns will be not so gentle, is like claiming nonsense. This is just my point of view, I saw many times kev spoke names and insults to many people. But I know he never truly meant a lot of the things he said. To claim things and not know the true facts is just shameful. I do pray to the gods that you don't get that treatment in your death scott. For how you expressed your spite for ryan's test, you obviously don't like being in the wrong nor insulted. Just like anyone else, but he is dead and he can not say a word. Howcan you feel so good about this. I would think if he bothered you so much the satisfaction of him reading this while breathing would be all the more. Ah well, balance is all I will say now, just balance.
To clarify scott, we briefly talked about what I saw in a potential relationship it never went farther than that. You can still have conversations about such things without there being flirting involved.
I'm caught? I'm not overly impressed with the results, the comment on my board ranking was clearly an attack, if a clumsy one. But you seem gratified in what you learned. Fortunate, as it was lost on me.
I'm not legally defaming his character, my thoughts were in a poem, not a police report. The departed is not the first old man to trawl social networking webcites for impressionable little girls, and he probably will not be the last. Just like I am neither the first nor the last to notice. The difference is I had the stones and the disregard for societal standards and the sensative little feelers of his webcircle to say what I was thinking.
As for the bit about talking to several young girls with purely platonic and innocent intentions, well that in itself is laughable. Yes, let's let the fox into the chicken coop.
I will throw this bone and say that if this discussion is really to die, the best thing to do would be to stalk off with your nose in the air and that commical sense of selfrighteousness most of you must be feeling. You will not coax shame, change of heart or apology from me, just like I won't change what you feel.
That said, I don't mind stopping in here a few minutes each day to stoke the flames and burn my words into your poor offended heads.
Kev and i didn't get along but that was disgusting. I would never ever ever do something like that. He did have a caring streak and gods help you if you got on his bad side for someone he did care about. I did watch him defend someone once and that was a sight. I just hope he is at peace now. Rest in peace my friend though we didn't get along i call all my friends we in my book agreed to disagree on everything. But hey who says thats a bad thing? May you shine with the gods. May you be reborn and live a happy life in the next life.
Well, I've been quite soundly put in my place, haven't I? If you would never ever do something like that, I must be pretty low.
Please don't, Jens. I don't know you, but I've seen your interactions in QN's. Trust me, taking shots at me and saying diplomaticly nonspecific things about the departed won't get you friends on here. Bandwagoners are rather silly and fickle that way. You would be better off calling me something a bit nastier, and finding one of the zone In Crowd to phonebone. I've done quite a bit of watching, and this method has proven far more expedient than simply kissing ass and agreeing with everyone. Though, to be fair, it can help sometimes.
Besides, if you call all your friends, then we are friends! And you huwt my feewings by cawwing me disgusting!
Ha, it's okay. I, unlike most who crow the same thing, really and truly do not care what you, or anyone else thinks of me. More to the point, I, also unlike most who pretend, will actually say what I think, what needs to be said because other people are thinking it, but don't have the balls to come out and say it.
Wait a minute... maybe I'm wrong... maybe I'm the dick here. Maybe it's perfectly cool for forty (I still think that's being generous) old men to talk to little girls. Maybe it was purely innocent. Good golly gosh, don't I feel silly?! But wait, what's this?!
From post 152 in the 'Kev's in the Hospital' Thread
I new you 7 years. when I was 13. that's crazy. you were my very first friend on the zone and your still number 1 in my most sent and receved quicknotes.
thanks for caring about my problems and things that not many others cared about when i was a young teen. you really were one of my best friends for 3 or 4 years. even though you were a perve and asked me to have phone sex with you all the time and I never would. lol.
(Gasp! What? No! Kevin?! Surely you must be thinking of someone else, girly. Hahahahahahahaha!)
From post 108
oh yes his randomiser. he caught me with it frequently and gleafully since he knew that it crossed my comfort zone... but it was all harmless really...
(Mhmm... 'cause crossing comfort zones is perfectly harmless.)
From post 100
We had a hard and turbulent relationship. We were both difficult people to be close to, and, when put together, the difficulty was multiplied by about a million. I didn't always like Kevin, and sometimes he (or his levels of affection) would just become too much for me to deal with, and there would be large gaps in our closeness because I would distance myself from him. He didn't always respect the boundaries I set for our interactions with each other and I didn't always feel emotionally well enough to deal with his emotional unwellness. He was an asshole, and not always in the delightful way that we all came to love. I won't sugarcoat what our relationship was or pretend he was a saint now that he's gone; he would hate that kind of disingenuousness.
(Ha, I know right? I called him a pervy old dick when he was alive too. Switching around would be just dishonest. Or even disengenuous!)
I probably could have ferreted up some more gems, but you get the point. Anyone else?
Yeah that baby chick being propositioned did scare me, as well they might.
Shake...my...head. The best comfort I can offer to anyone offended by this is that Kev seemed to be a pretty resilient individual with thick skin, and I have a feeling that if he is even aware of this, he is laughing raucously at the futility of this flacid attempt to insult his legacy. From what I can see, there are many more people who loved him than didn't, so even though this is disturbing at best, I think in the grand scheme of things it won't count so much. I'm sorry, original poster, whoever you are, but you lose the battle. Kev will always win, because he will always have the last laugh.
Oh, I don't know. I'm still laughing pretty hard. How old were you when you and he started talking?
Don't answer that. My claims already have more support than I could have dreamed, with the amount of upset from cliquish bullies and girls that were once impressionable and young, and now seem to be just impressionable.
I would just like to say, to everyone, being completely objective here, that those of you who have reacted, you did exactly what you said you weren't going to do. How does that make you all look? Sorry, just felt the need to point out the obvious. Carry on with your lives now.
Ha, been a bit, hasn't it?
I was sipping a Brandy Alexander and sifting through recycled creepypasta and letters from African princes asking for my credit card information, when I happened on this little gem. I thought it to be quite applicable. Have a click, and vidi well, me droogies, vidi well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN3fYng87SM
Ah Foamy and a Clockwork Orange all in one post? My darling, you do have good taste.
I must, musn't I? I sifted through this socially awkward sea of followers and clones and drones and goombas and harpies, and managed to find you.
But that is far off topic. To quote the immortal Lord and Master Foamy, REST IN PEACE, FUCKER!
Well I'll have to admit that was pretty funny, and the first appearance of Clockwork Orange on this site to boot.
to the original poster, thank you for having the balls to put this out there, and speak a truth that not many either have seen, or will readily admit.
I saw this side of Kevin you speak of, as well as someone who was an outright bully. let me tell you something, when you're struggling with something major like sexuality, as I was when I first became a zoner/met Kevin, and when you take the time to reach out to someone, as I did him, it wasn't at all helpful that he did nothing more but bring me into a deeper hole than I was already in.
this isn't about me, though, but about giving you props for your truthful words. thanks, man.
I'm not going to jump on any bandwagons here. I want to get that right up front. I'm not going to start flaming anyone either because they were rude or because they were ignorant. That said, though, I do have my own two cents' worth.
To the original topic creator: since you don't really seem to care much what people think, I daresay this experiment might have been an exercise in futility. Perhaps you just wanted to watch the fur fly, as it were, though I think motivation like that, if it was your only reason for posting, is a touch on the silly side. I suppose I'm free to think that and it doesn't matter. What you ought to know, however, is that for the people who really and honestly knew Kevin, you weren't going to change their minds, and for those who didn't, you weren't going to do anything except expose a painful truth which is, given the man's death, now somewhat irrelevant. It's not as if you're saving anyone from being preyed upon, so I'm not really sure what sort of "nerve" this would take; I just wonder at the point you were honestly going for.
To those who took serious offense to this: remember that everyone's got an opinion and is free to make conclusions about things. Kevin is no longer here to read any of this, whether he'd find it slanderous or not. Perhaps he'd find it infantile and amusing...who knows? Whatever Kevin may have been, or may not have been, is done; it can't be changed now that he's gone. If he was abrasive and rude - and sometimes I do think he was - then what of it? If his actions happened to often bring him in contact with young girls, and if the grand majority of those young girls were, at the worst, not scarred by this interaction...again, what of it? One needn't flare up in outrage just because someone else paints one admittedly questionable aspect of a deceased individual in a negative light.
For me, well...I'm sad to know that Kevin is dead. He wasn't exactly old, and I understand that he had medical issues. I didn't know him well and won't pretend otherwise, but it's a shame when someone dies, regardless of the things they may have been up to. It is clear to me that even if Kevin did and said some colourful things in his life, he ended up with a generally positive review, so to speak...and if there's one thing I know it's that mass opinion like this rarely lies outright.
There. Now I'm done. I'll get off the soapbox. I wish people wouldn't try to deliberately incense one another, and I equally wish that others wouldn't leap at the very first chance to get outraged on behalf of someone who is no longer in this life to be angry for themselves.
First of all, thank you for keeping your wits and manners about you. As shown above, I respond to feedback quite diligently, and honest questions deserve honest answers.
In truth, I wrote the poem half in jest, and was content to let it fester in my laptop's memmory banks. But it came to pass that I had logged on for an unobtrusive hand of blackjack, and saw a bunch of kiddylings lamenting his death. Little women who presumably made the journey from prepubescence to drinking age with Kevin whispering sweet nothings and declarations of love and empowerment to them through skype and ZBP. Someone who shall remain nameless wondered if anybody would talk about how mean and messed up he could be at times. This individual was promptly fallen upon and devoured by selfrighteous little ladies with Black Bird brainwashing and moral outrage pulsing and pounding in their minute heads.
Thus, I decided that my jewel of a eulogy would be done a disservice, were it not to be seen. And I posted it. I could not have predicted the wave of outrage and flying fur that ensued. But in short, I posted the poem just because. Watching people get pissed off and line up to spew feeble insults at me was just a happy bonus.
If you want to go back even further and know why I wrote the poem to begin with, that's simple enough. I was probably sixteen or seventeen the first time someone threewayed me into a ZBP conference. Two minutes into my happy exploration, an older sounding gentleman I know now to have been Kevin, came into the room under the staggeringly creative and witty ... wait for it... Assholder. As in, one who holds asses. I know, that's top shelf if I ever heard it.
At any rate, I was minding my own business, talking to a few people I knew or was being introduced to, and Kev was there just as quiet as a mouse. I told a joke, and he promptly called me a retard and proceeded to shamelessly hit on the girls in the room, (The eldest of whom couldn't have been more than fifteen herself).
Shit just sort of escalated the more he and I saw one another. Maybe he was threatened by the fact that I was funny and interesting and he was a pervy old man with an attitude, I don't know. Maybe I really am an immature retard, in which case he is amazingly astute to have picked it up so quickly. But I"m gonna go with my theory.
So, the shit didn't stop. He was like Penguin from the Batman cartoons. ALways off to one side with something nasty to say at completely random times. Unless, of course, there were little girlies around. The littler the better.
I'll admit, I tittered a little to myself when I heard he was in the hospital before I knew the specifics. I thought he had diddled the wrong kitty and wes put in traction.
In short, I wrote it because he was a rude and abrasive clown. Fuck him, I'm glad he's dead. I have daughter. I would have hated for my first trip to the UK to be just to commit murder.
To the last poster, I retract what I said about pissing on his grave. With your words, and seeing a few things like learning about the login / logout messages, I am also left to question things. I have a daughter now 18 and on her own but still would have been in the target age range.
Since I haven't seen you go off on other board topics, maybe I'm missing something, that makes me be more likely to take your word on this. I've asked around, since I have those login / logout messages off, and found out about that.
No one thing would make a person see things this way, but it's the cumulative effect. Though your past phone conference, if it is to be believed, is a pretty serious incident. I'm not saying I either believe or disbelieve, only that you are not the first to have made mention of approaches to under age girls on here. Little girls is what they are, not grown women, and it patently doesn't matter if one of them thinks it's harmless, there's never a place for a grown man, especially one close to my own age, to get involved with babies like that.
I had thought maybe mainly his involvement was more like an uncle or something, I had no idea he was actually hitting on these. Now I don't actually know one way or the other, because as you said, he's neither alive to defend himself nor would the young skulls full of mush admit to it if he did. Either out of fear, or needless embarrassment, or defending him, or some other human emotion.
It's good to have it called out, though, not for Kevin, who's dead, but for future would-be assailants on young girls.
So again, while I don't know one way or the other on Kevin, though several suspicions seem to be relevant here, I do personally apologize to the original poster for my earlier post on this thread.
All I knew of him was what I said on the other thread, but I'm not an under-age girl either, nor do I have anyone on here which I know in offline life. And the people I saw him interact with on Teamtakl were all of age, not even borderline like 6 months to 18 or something.
I will say this on this board, I have not said this publicly, but I'm going to say it now. The fact that you put this took a lot of guts, and I'm proud of you for it. It's not easy for some people to state what they actually think, myself being one of those, but the fact that you have the balls to say this and stand up for what you know is right makes me love and respect you even more. Thank you for giving me more courage to use my voice and make my voice be heard. You're amazing!
I needed to make this board an even number of posts, so I'm doing that. Love you!
I'm sorry to hear that happened to you, Chelsey. It has become quite the distinct pleasure to voice these hard to hear truths though, thank you for noticing and saying something.
Thank you Leo, that was big of you. I rarely speak up, but when I do it is almost always outrageous but it is never without reason. Little Harlequin turned two this last St. Patrick's Day, so with luck, I won't have to worry about things like this for a while. But you never know. There are sick and small people out there.
And thank you, Sam. Everyone deserves a chance to be heard, despite the content of their sentaments. We need only be prepared for what will be said in reply.
The few of you have me feeling an uncharacteristic spreading of warmth inside, perhaps I am becoming a real boy.
I guess the only thing I'm left wondering, then, is why you framed your grievance in such a way.
You do Kevin no harm, because he's dead, and you probably do his best friends little to no harm because they will, and did, see your effort as outrageous, unfair and crass.
It can be argued that the only people you could have hurt with what you did were probably undeserving; some people, after all, cared about the guy, despite his shortcomings and failings. You might have thought him scum, but does that mean it's all right to incense his remaining living friends for your own amusement? Pardon me for disbelieving you when you say you didn't know what would happen when you posted this, but I think you're more aware than that. You had a very obviously inflammatory piece of writing and were planning to post it in a public place where those sympathetic to Kevin and to his death were likely to see it; with all due respect to you, the results you got were not particularly hard to explain or deduce.
So, after all this, I'm still left in the same position as before. I'm not defending Kevin, because if he was propositioning people who were unequipped to deal with it, then that's slimy, no matter how you cut it. I can be sorry that the man is dead but glad that, one way or another, this sort of predation, however dangerous it actually was, will no longer take place through this particular channel. I can, and do, shake my head though, because starting a brawl with innocents over your opinions is a good way to alienate yourself; it's a good way to get people to ignore even the good points you may have, and unless you really are here entirely for your own sake and no one else's, then I suspect you don't want that. Might I suggest that next time, you just come straight out with your worries or observations or criticisms. State them as facts instead oof enraging people, and you'll probably do more for your cause - said cause being the awareness of potentially dangerous people - than you did here. People saw a post that made them think Oh my god, what an asshole!", and if there's one thing I know, it's that many people will experience such emotions and then wall everything else off. That's a lose-lose scenario.
or maybe he is just jealous.... maybe kev got someone that he wants...
Somehow I doubt that. I suppose anything is possible, mind you.
yeah, meh, i guess he is a usual zoner anyways, waits for the people to go away and start talking behind them,
A valid point, Mr. Wolf. All the same, the pain of those who feel for the undeserving is not my concern. But I do maintain all of the backlash was just a happy accident. Maybe I should have expected it, but the shortsightedness that kept me from doing so made the surprise all the more entertaining.
Anibal... just stop talking. You're embarrassing yourself. Mee mee mee, maybe he's jealous! lol What?
I stepped in some dogshit on the way home from the studio today, so if that whole in your dim and empty head needs a task, kindly kneel and lick my soon to be shining Doc Martins. It would be more dignified than making childish little jabs that frankly, were silly back in elementary school, when most people were still young enough to come up with insults like that. Cheers.
far easier to slander the dead than the living I guess, I am not aware of Kev doing the shit you accuse him of. I know he was friends with people you'd class under age, but if people encourage flirtatious behaviour and it's done with out any real intent is that an issue? just putting it out there, your behaviour I have to say is extremely odd. if he didn't have any impact or effect on your life why come out after he is dead and attack his character. your reaction to Anibal is also a little over the top, did he hit a nerve? because it's very reactive and driven this dog shit of a poem you call it.
haha, am pritty sure I did mas.
Actually, it is an issue even if he's flirting jokingly with underaged girls, it's still not ok. Kev and I had a tomultuous friendship for this reason, as he tried making passes and advances towards me as a teen and I felt uncomfortable. I've also heard stories from others that state the same thing. That's part of the reason I left the zone for as long as I did. If there is any uncertainty, go read Leo's post about crossing the line that says adults have a responsibility to uphold in dealing with children.
Well, he did have the opinion that girls about 15 were fair game. This is due to the laws in his country.
Why do I know this? We had several public convversations about age limits, and he's made several public comeants about this.
I suppose if a post is made to praise him one can be made on the other side.
I did say when I joined here he rode me for a really long time. I'm not one to get mad, and found it amusing, but I can understand how others diid not.
I first want to say I was not a fan of that Poem, as you would call it Scott. I really don't know why you're trying put Kevin, on blast, when he is dead. Also I know Kevin wasn't perfect, but he was nice enough to me. We started talking when I was 19. I am now 25. What are you going to do if the zone has a real true pedofile join the community? Are you going to sing his or her praises, or will you rip them apart, like you did Kevin?
nah brea, he is going to wait til he's not here with us.
Smile.
When did I say that Kevin had no effect on my life? The departed had a huge effect, else I wouldn't have bothered to write. This is a forty-plus year old man who picks fights with high school boys and hits on high school girls. It was pretty disillusioning, in truth, knowing that people didn't stop being punks or perverts just because they got older.
Do you not read? I didn't wait until he was dead, he and I traded little jabs constantly. I didn't drag it out into the open for the same reason I don't argue with you parrots and pack animals on publics. If we're gonna throw down, it'll be in a venue where you'll hear what I'm saying. Our duels were performed in private.
Further, in what universe is replying to an insult with an insult an "over the top" reaction? The idea that Anibal could hit a nerve is worthy of a chuckle or two, seeing as all he's done so far is assentially to call me a poopyhead, then agree with everyone else. But I don't need to explain that to you, you're still on your selfrighteous trip about the wankerbear, or as I like to call him, Wormfood, so you probably just brought it up as another insult. If not, then I'd like to know what nerve you think could have possibly been hit? You really think I'm lusting after Kevin's recycled old jail bait? If so, think again. You're wrong on too many levels even to count, but I don't think you're stupid.
As for you, Anibal, seriously. You don't even have the necessary prerequisites to talk to me. Even if hell froze over and you managed in your monumentally dull and dim fumblings to find some gem that I was insecure about or ashamed of, it would have absolutely no weight coming from you. You're almost old enough to drink, and you're in high school. Probably hitting on underaged girls your damned self. Because that's who's impressed by the kind of sad hash you're slinging. Git you a diploma, son. Then come talk to me. In the meantime, you should let your buddies do bigboy talk. They'll still be wrong, but they'll probably be more concise than you, and I know it'll at least be typed out a bit more legibly.
Hi Playgirl, sorry, I missed your message the first time scrolling. I do like to keep up on my feedback, though.
You didn't like the poem. Fair enough, you liked Kevin, so it's to be expected. As for why I posted it, see above. I've already addressed that.
You're asking me if I'd sing the praises of a pedophile? I'm not sure why, I would think my writing speaks for itself. Kevin was, by all but the most liberal and lenient definitions, a pedophile, and far from singing his praise, I let him know through the final years of his existance just what I thought of him every time he tried to dig one of his sad barbs into me. Then when I saw a bunch of people boo-hoo-hooing over it, I let them know too. Scroll up. I'm not alone in my experiences.
To paraphrase and answer your question, no. If another pedo came flouncing in, I'd probably have a few choice words for him/her too. If I'm lucky, that person will die too and I can put up more masterful poetry to amuse the worthy and inflame the fainthearted.
I would like to draw attention to a certain fact. People are portraying Kevin as a sort of, martyr, saint, angel, basically putting him on a pedestal in his death, but they never did him that service in real life? Come on People. Just because someone croaks doesn't make them radiate with perfection. Just saying.
I don't see no worshipping, but grief over kevin. I still don't like the poem, but after coming back and rereading things. I can say this, yes fine its great scott you can speak up for your feelings of hate towards another. But Even if this was another person, I not be happy with the poem. But it isn't on the matter of another person, so let me get back to this of Kev. I don't think he was that bad of a person. I wasn't and haven't been on here long to see the "old Kev" of what most say. But if you said to him "you are making me uncomfortable" he stop. If you straight out told him what you thought of him, in a civilized way. He not bother with you. Towards the end I noticed a huge difference in him. I'm sure his closer friends could say more.
hahah, I think I should get mad over that. and ye man! totally hitting thoes young girls, that's why am with sam. I love her young age
alright, just a few things here.
I'm sure you'll all excuse my lack of eloquence here - i'm not terribly articulate when it comes to putting my thoughts down in words (I operate better in a face-to-face, or voice-to-voice type debate).
Scott, I still think the poem was in incredibly bad taste. And writing it when you did (a few days after he'd passed away) are you really surprised people got so outraged over it? regardless of what you thought of him, kevin was a good friend to many on here (for a number of reasons) and this is probably a very good reason for the large outpouring of anger towards you (I expect this doesn't bother you too much though).
I'm not for one minute going to sit here and make out like the man was a saint and didn't have his faults, because that would be incredibly disingenuous and sycophantic of me, something he himself would've pourd plenty of scorn up on. Yes he was an asshole at times, and there are lines he shouldn't have crossed sometimes, and I won't sit here and try to justify his actions. But that's no reason to spit on the memory of a man so many people had a great deal of affection for.
one more thing - sam, you talk about not making kevin a martyr (and that's the last thing i'd wish to do here) but shall I go back and count the number of times you posted on that board when he passed away? I don't think anyone posted more frequently than you. your words and actions on this board come across incredibly disingenuous and hypocritical (don't worry btw, i'll happily tell you this much and more the next time we talk. I have quite a lot to say to you on this. i'm disappointed). you've done quite a remarkable job of changing your tune here.
I feel like this topic has filled up with hypocracy, cheap jabs, and pointless argument between many stubborn willed people, but I'll do more than point out the obvious right now.
I'd just like to appologize because apparently, there is a lot of things I didn't know about Kevin, and I was standing up for what I believed to be right. I like the shepherd wolf don't understand nor agree with the fact that you waited until the passing of his death to write this, but I have a clearer idea at the very least.
I was thinking the same thing that Dan said as I read your posts Sam. You are sending mixed messages and I'm sorry, but this isn't something that you can straddle the fence and say you are on both sides. I'm not trying to come across as an ass hole, but I am confused.
Dan expressed a lot more of my opinions with out the language and viciousness I was contenplating. as I have said you are calling him a Paedofile, do you understand the extremity of that accusation? I think that's a very disgusting thing to accuse someone of. like Dan has said, Kev would of said himself there were lines he did cross. But flirting with people who dont' tell you know isn't an act of crime, but it matters not because here it really will just become a battle of accusations and words. I wouldn't normally care about opinions or your type of writing, because normally I'd expect the person you are verbally trampling down to have the opertunity to respond. Sadly in this case it isn't, I suggest many people who are reading this who only new Kev recently not to jump on any band wagon and remember the great memories you may have with him.
I wonder if you'd express such hatred and accusations if he were alive and present?
Scott, although I don't know you, and, although I think your so call *poem* is in poor taste not to mention poor timing, you, at least is genuin in your hatred towards Kev from start to end! This fact, and only this fact alone I will give you a small portion of my respect. Now to the 2 faced and extreme hypocrit, you know who you are as I've not make a point in hiding my feelings, all the respect I've had for you , is completely gone I dislike disingenuin people, and attention seekers, and you my dear, are both.
It's not up to the under age people to say no. Whether or not Kevind did this I don't have any hard evidence. But let's be clear: bringing up that the other party should say no, only has merit when both parties are of age. I at 42 would be guilty if I approached a 13 or 15-year-old in a sexual way, no court and no human would ask the question of whether she said no. Clearly, there is a issue of ability to consent in that situation, and all of the responsibility rests with the adult especially with such an age range difference.
And once you know what the age range of a particular site's nation of origin is, it's up to you as the adult, well past the age of majority, to abide by those laws. I have no evidence whether Kevin did or did not hit on girls at age 16, then say afterwards that in his country the age of 16 is the age of consent. Clearly any adult can Google, and certainly change what they're doing after the first instance.
We don't have evidence whether Kevin participated that way or not here on this board. But it's unconscionable that even the idea of the under-age teenager having a responsibility to say no, would even come up in this discussion. In any and all jurrisdictions, and in most civilized cultures, the responsibility clearly rests with the person past the age of majority. We're not talking someone who's in high school at 20 dating an 18-year-old even: we're talking someone who's approximateing my age, old enough to be her father, and hitting on her. Who in their right mind would bring up a underage girl's responsibility in this situation? This is where the online falls short, since in real life something would happen as a consequence to that shit.
I will bring up something that maybe I know little about yet again, but it is a possibility, and Joe, Dan, and maybe a few others that live overseas can answer my question. Over there, is the age of consent at a different age? Would that possibly be a reason as to why many people here in the US are accusing him so? I don't often slam people with names such as petofiles because like Joe said that is very extreme, and I am also not the person to call a high school who might get a lot of attention from many guys a slut. Though they may not be in the same spectrum, it still can be classified as a pretty crude judgment.
Sorry. I meant a girl in high school who flirts and gets a lot of attention from several guys.
In the kev bord post in health and wellness, you said you love kev, and here you say you love Scot and respect him for saying that? Um... contradictory! Well I guess love, again is one of those words tossed carelessly, sorry, but I'm very disappointed.
Honestly, Dan, Ryan, you both have a point. I was prepared for this to be brought up, so I'll answer your questions honestly. Kevin and I had a rocky as fuck relationship, no one knows the depth of how off and on it was except for maybe a few people who do not frequent this site anymore. There were times I loved him, times I wanted to strangle him, but when he died, I began to think about when I put things into perspective about this place and how backstabby and followery people can be, and in this case, I had even been. I'm sorry, but if you wanted to get away from this place to go do some growing up and better yourself, no loyal friend would try to turn you against it for their own selfish need. That isn't the quality of a friend. Also, no "Loyal" friend would try to turn you against people you were close to, just because they didn't like that person. There are sevveral instances in which this occurred with Kev, and he knows this because I was the only one of those vapid girls who had the balls to tell Kev where to stick his unfounded opinions. Yes, I have been on both sides of this issue, I will admit that readily, and I have seen the two extreme sides of Kev, the good and the bad, and I even called him a pedophile once, to his face. Does that make me less of a person now? Yeah, call me an attention seeker, call me all the names you can dish up. Ostricize me from your lot, I don't give a shit. Kimmy, you shock me. Never thought you'd stoop as low as to talk to me in the third person, but now I can see you are just as much a follower as so many people are in this site. It wasn't one person to drive me to have this epiphany, it was numerous factors. Attention seeker? Yes, I was then, but I don't need attention from you lot. I've got a life, I'm moving up and moving on and I'm on fire. Now, if you will excuse me, I've got an Italian presentation to finish.
Hmmm. Hard to imagine such a drastic relationship. Thanks for explaining yourself at the least, and if what you say about telling him directly that he is a petofile is true, then I guess you have more balls than people give you credit for. Lol. Like I said, it's just lots of hipocracy on here so if they said you were an attention seeker many of them should accuse themselves of being hipocrits but I digress.
Sam, let me say this. I don't know you, so forgive if I shouldn't use your first name...though everyone else is. Anyway, all I want to say is that I don't know the depth of this whole situation but I definitely think the bandwagon crap has to stop, as far as attacking you goes. People can and often do have very convoluted relationships, and I fail to see why you couldn't wobble on the fence, tip one way and then tip back the other way. To that end, I admire you for coming in here when quite frankly you didn't have to, and explaining yourself. You're right though; it kinda shows you who's with you and who's not, in the long run. I'd see a reason to be upset if it was one of the bandwagon types who was directly being insulted or bothered by what you're saying and doing, but since I don't see how that's the case, kudos to ya.
Folks, people are often contradictory. It's infuriating, it's sad, it's pathetic, it's unfortunate, it's inexplicable...it's any one or many of these things, but it exists. Best get used to it; everyone does it sometimes. Especially in a case like this where no outsider knows all the history, I daresay it might be time to take a step back, remember what this whole thing was about and stop pecking at people who quite frankly are none of your business in these terms.
Leo, excellent point about the responsibility. I'm an adult...a good bit younger than you, but still. If I had someone underage in a position where somehow line-crossing was in the cares, it's my responsibility first and foremost to nip it before it gets bigger or, if it sneaks up on us and happens, to stop it. I believe age of consent in Britain is 16, and as I recall it's also 16 in Canada. Some people are also quite mature, even at 17 and 18, but the law is the law, and decency is pretty cut and dry. In my estimation, Kevin may have been a pervert and he may have been borderline dangerous (unhealthy, at the least) but pedophile? That's...a little heavy-handed, particularly since anyone using that word should know the weight it carries, probably -does know it and is using that ugly word for its greater impact to make a questionable thing look downright disgusting.
firstly to answer Ryans post, yes the age of consent here is 16. there is no step rule to this you're iether legal or not. I how ever am not using that as a basis to this arguement, I am wondering then... if I am talking to a 15 year old on here, she flirts with me with no intent? I then give a remark that could be taken as flirting again no intent what so ever. does that instantly class me as a paedofile or grooming a girl?
again, as people have pointed out here and on other boards, in the past Kev had flirted with girls. they had asked him to stop, From what I read everytime he did stop flirting or talking in a certain way to the girls.
Like everyone has said he was no Angel, how ever to put a poem up degrading a character and out right calling him a paedofile is a step way to far.
Sam, I ask you this one question. I assume you will answer me honestly, if you called Kev a paedofile to his face why did you continue the contact?
I have to ask that because I tell you something. If I truely believed someone was I'd cut all instant contact even if they said they'd changed etc.
Also there is stating opinions and giving 2 sides to a story, class how ever I believe should remain present.
After reading this topic, I just thought of presenting my opinion here.
Noone is perfect. that includes myself as well. You are allowed to criticize, argue, fight, backstab, etc etc in the name of freedom of speech. For which, I'm not against it. But as per doing all those things with a man who he is no longer alive is a foolishness or it's like showing your anger against a brick wall, I say.
Raaj.
Mas, I will say as a man, this is why the online connections, especially some sort of online sexual contact we would have to manage very carefully, since we of age are the ones who are responsible.
As to the way Sam called Kevin a pedophile and then continued contact? If she was a teenager then, well, all I can say having several teenage nieces and a teenage daughter, they don't know the half of what the fuck they're doing most of the time, I'm sure you know that too having teenage relatives.
They do this a lot, unless someone older steps in and stops the situation. They may spend some time sulking and pouting for awhile afterwards and thinking the person who stepped in is a dick, but they didn't get the confusing treatment from an older male who should not have been flirting with them.
Technically, even if everything was 100% true about Kevin on this topic, he would not be considered a pedophile because pedophilia has to do with prepubescent children.
Anyway, Zone shrinks could do a hell of a lot better job explaining this shit: who am I but a average guy a parent and an uncle, who has had the rare occasion to be a dick about things if a niece got herself tangled by accident with some creeper. Only in real life you can deliver rather than just threaten or say things like on a board here.
Ryan, Wolf, I appreciate what you both have said. Thank you. I feel I opened this fight up, I should at the very least explain myself, hence why I wrote what I wrote last night. True enough Uncle, you echoed what I said on the crossing the line post.
Sam, I'm glad you realize the value in speaking up about this. considering you were a teen when it happened, it should be a given to most people that you're gonna change your tune, hopefully learning from the experience. good for you! that's very important.
Thanks Chelsea love. Joe, I actually did cut contact, as I left the zone not long after it happened and when I came back, I thought he'd changed. I realized in some ways he did, some ways he didn't. I came back as a 21-year-old, an adult.
I wasn't going to comment on this before but after reading all the posts on here, It has compelled me to put my two cents worth:
The first time I saw Kev on here, it occurred to me how much of a dick he is, not to mention he seem to pick on people who seemed to not be able to defend themselves.
I've also heard, from primarily females on here how much of a cool and caring guy he was. Frankly, I never saw this die to him in publics, and when I attempted to pqn him, I never gotten a response back so I have every right to say that I tried getting to know the guy and it didn't work.
Since the only point of reference I can go on is how he is in public quick notes, I was forced to conclude he was in fact incredibly rude, argumentative and down right pathetic..
I've heard from more than one person on here who yes, at the time, they were underaged who told me that he had in fact approached them for phone sex.
And to conclude, I have to wonder how many people who raved about him were only kissing ass?
one more thing, I got the feeling that he didn't like me, which was odd since at the time, I never spoke to him? That was the first sign that he was not a very nice person. How can you decide to not like somebody if you haven't even spoke to them and given that person a chance?
Well, I wouldn't kiss a dead guy's ass, but that's just me. Lol. I saw the same from him at first Usman, but supposedly it was not as bad as it was way before I became a user. Prior to his passing, we did start getting along. We didn't talk a whole lot but the few conversations we did have, we both seemed interested. I remember the one conversation we had about him, I told him about my family who was over in his area way back in the 50's. I didn't get to tell him about my great-grandfather though, who had served in World War II., and who had died fighting and protecting England, the country who he loved and was so loyal to. At the time I did not actually know about him, and this was something I had just recently learned about from a documentary that was created by one of his grandchildren. But I've strayed somewhat from the topic, but my point here is that people change. Why should we hold the past against a person forever, when it seems that a person has tried to better himself in some ways? Nobody is perfect.
I must confess that when I first spoke to Kevin (he was known as Blackbird then) I was under age and my profile made that abundantly clear. However, I can't fault him as the conversation was light, and impersonal. I have seen him tear people to pieces on public quicknotes however. What I am given to understand is that he was many-faceted; he was not an angel but by no means a monster, either. That's all I can really say on the matter.
Calypso,that was to be expected. You were neither a nodding, following and unquestioning yesman, nor were you a silly, impressionable little girl. Nor, I take it, were you a quiet and suffering victim of his jabs, seeing as you're not outpouring delayed rage on this board. He had no use for you, and may have even been threatened by you. That's the only thing I can think of. Same with me.
Everybody who posted with the initial barrage of insults when this post first went up, with the exception of those who had the sense to recant and digest the truth, fits into one of those catigories or another. That's the people he surrounded himself with.
Frankly, Meglet, with respect, I don't care about his multiple fascets. Nobody will care about any fascets of someone's personality, if they come across as a confrontational, argumentative bullying asshole straight off the bat. I never called him a monster, I called him a pervert, which he very clearly was to anybody willing to take a millisecond to look, and a dick, which is also clear as day, even on a social networking sight for the blind.
No need to go on, though. That would be beating a dead horse. Well ... dead Blackbird. .
True about the multiple facets. Adolph Hitler had multiple facets, Ted Bundy had multiple facets, that is a red herring argument. Not that I am comparing Kevin to either of these, I'm not. Just illustrating multiple facets means nothing in light of certain types of offenses, like those involving underage girls for instance.
I'm arguing absolutely nothing here. All I'm saying is that Kevin confused me by seeming to have two personalities and, based on my limited first hand experience, I don't know what to think. I am refusing, therefore, to jump on either bandwagon.
That's fair. I also retain we only have some after-the-fact witness accounts he did this. That doesn't mean those accounts are wrong, or that he was or was not a pervert.
But yes, a man nearly my age hitting on 14-year-old girls is a pervert, a sexual deviant in the eyes of the law, no two ways about it. Hopefully this simply brings that issue to light for teenagers, and older people who are humane and looking out for them. I'd hate to have been an older person and had a teenager come to me telling me some guy was hitting on her, and to have turned a deaf ear and a blind eye. If hitting on young girls would make a man my age a pervert, turning a blind eye to the situation would make a man my age an accessory.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
I have to say that I can't stand grown men who go after under age girls. i too have a daughter who is almost five and if someone ever did that to her, I'd probably castrate him and shove his dick down his throat. People like that just make me sick. At first, i thought the poem was harsh, but the more i read, the more I realized why it was written.
I had the same reaction, Rose. While I still think it was done in poor taste, I can see why it was done. Not saying it was right, but there you are.
Yes, I'm sure some of that was him being somewhat threatened by me and it was made evident with an incident which took place last year that I will not disclose.
I never thought about it as that until someone had mentioned it and it just made sense.
using the, "this isn't right" argument, is ridiculous. besides the fact that such a statement is based on who you ask, how that can be applied to something so straightforward as this piece, is beyond me.
I wholeheartedly agree with Chelsea on this one. We could state that a lot of things, "aren't right." What is right anyway? What society deems right? Is just like using the word normality I believe the one thing we can all agree on here, is that a grown man going after underage girls, is wrong, and if there's not a person who disagrees on this matter, well, then go die. Lol.
I'm not sure if the last two posts were aimed at me, but what I meant about "right" was I'm not sure if it was right to post the poem. I wasn't speaking of Kevin approaching under-aged girls. In no way is that right, assuming he was propositioning them, which it sounds like he was.
No Miss Meglet, definitely not aimed at you. Mine was more an observation than anything.
Ah okay. I really think I should have used a word other than aimed anyhow; it's too strong and antagonistic for what I meant.
I fucking love this poem, you go man! I give full thumbs up to you. He had no life and thought he was a complete douch bag who only got his rocks off by insulting teenagers who wouldn't put out for his old nasty arogant ass. for you sluts that loved him and rode his cock, sure you loved him and thought he was awsome. You obviously have never met a better man and will never meet another decent person. Your nothing but sheep and a follower and your life will be miserable. I'm personally happy that god finally put him in his place and let him die off, he had no place in a world like this unless society are digging old men playing with 15 year old pussy and tits. If so then, your already a lost cause.
To the previous poster: I kindly suggest two things. First, stop flogging a dead and rotting horse. Second, you would probably do well to cut the tone a fair bit. You have the literal right to do what you've done, but I rhetorically pose the same question I posed the original poster in this thread. What the hell's the point? You aren't going to change minds. You're only going to insult, upset or otherwise put off others. You're going to perhaps incense people enough to make the fur start flying again, and to what end? I have some choice observations I could make about people who get their rocks off inflaming others purely for its own sake, even if I don't necessarily put them in the same boat with borderline illegal sexual conduct.
they are just keyboard warriers, I could also rip them to pieces but havent' got the time. keep getting angry behind a screen where you can insult freely,
tzimisce: These chicks were often underage when this all got started, if events happened as proposed by this poem. To that end, they were victims of at least sexual harassment, probably not assault since nothing physical happened. I am not one to call chicks of any sort sluts anyhow: that's been a degrading term used to deprive them of their rights and resources. But especially in cases where someone was dealt with in this manner under-age? That's unconscionable.
I am not a sex expert or a shrink or anything, but to me it would make snese they could end up having a love / hate relationship if they were particularly vulnerable at the time. I mean, all under-age people are presumed vulnerable anyway, but some more than others based on circumstance. To go calling them sluts would get you a beating to within an inch of your life, where I come from, had you the cajones to pull that one in person. What did those chicks ever do to you?
Okay hate it or love it, here goes, for get publics or any text base chat here, when the zone was on VT I when on there way back in the day around 2005 or something like that. I met Black Bird ""kev", his personality was flat out rude, insulting and god's gift to women. Later on I to sorta left this sight to advinture into mariani land and came back. Quietly I watch the publics and so no change in this man, so what some have said about him beeing rude and a lesson in tack could gone a long way for his personality is very true. In the in I had no want to know him just rest in peace and may you listen to the missionary's on the other side of the curten.
Ha. I'm not nearly as nice to him as you are. I hope that if he does lose someone close that someone else spits on their memory. But then I'd feel bad for the dead person. It's a conundrum, it is.